How to make mac OS Big Sur v11.6.4 to never sleep when using battery in a 2020 Intel MBP?

Post by Ant
Hello.
How do I tell mac OS Big Sur v11.6.4 to never sleep when using in a 2020
Intel MBP? I only want to set this as a test since I'm trying to figure
out why this MBP crashes when waking up after sleeping once in a while.
So far on power AC connection, it never crashes with sleep disabled.
macOS Big Sur v11.6.(3&4) doesn't have an option to do that. I only can
disable its power nap and display sleep.
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1

Works like a dream!

It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and it
will be up and running once you awake!

Good luck! 🙂

Ant

2022-02-19 02:31:04 UTC

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1
Works like a dream!
It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and it
will be up and running once you awake!

Is it still buggy?

David Brooks

2022-02-19 08:26:13 UTC

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1
Works like a dream!
It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and it
will be up and running once you awake!

Is it still buggy?

Probably ..... but it's working just fine for me.

I do think it best to use the most up-to-date offerings from the
manufacturer.
They know, better than any other 'expert', how to 'fix' a Mac.

Jolly Roger

2022-02-19 14:08:26 UTC

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1
Works like a dream!
It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and it
will be up and running once you awake!

Is it still buggy?

It never *was* buggy for most people - you just fell for the hype. What
supposed bugs do you claim I have experienced running it since release?
Hint: none.

All software has bugs. Just because some blogger reports some people
experience an issue doesn't mean that you or most others will too.

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Lewis

2022-02-19 17:07:00 UTC

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1
Works like a dream!
It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and it
will be up and running once you awake!

Is it still buggy?

When was it "buggy"? During the beta, sure. Otherwise? No, it's been
rock solid for tens of millions if not hundreds or millions of users.

I'm currently on 12.3 beta, and it is also rock solid.

Is it perfect? Of course not, nothing is. Does it crash, corrupt data,
brick computers, or fail to work? No, it does not do any of these
things.

Maybe you should stop listening to idiot trolls?

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Ant

2022-02-19 18:07:42 UTC

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1
Works like a dream!
It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and it
will be up and running once you awake!

Is it still buggy?

When was it "buggy"? During the beta, sure. Otherwise? No, it's been
rock solid for tens of millions if not hundreds or millions of users.
I'm currently on 12.3 beta, and it is also rock solid.
Is it perfect? Of course not, nothing is. Does it crash, corrupt data,
brick computers, or fail to work? No, it does not do any of these
things.
Maybe you should stop listening to idiot trolls?

I see lots of bugs in public stable versions like in Big Sur, iOS v15, etc.

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Jolly Roger

2022-02-20 06:09:30 UTC

Post by Ant
Hello.
How do I tell mac OS Big Sur v11.6.4 to never sleep when using
in a 2020 Intel MBP? I only want to set this as a test since I'm
trying to figure out why this MBP crashes when waking up after
sleeping once in a while. So far on power AC connection, it
never crashes with sleep disabled. macOS Big Sur v11.6.(3&4)
doesn't have an option to do that. I only can disable its power
nap and display sleep.
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

My best advice is that you simply update to Monterey 12.2.1
Works like a dream!
It's a BIG change. Set it in motion just before you go to bed and
it will be up and running once you awake!

Is it still buggy?

When was it "buggy"? During the beta, sure. Otherwise? No, it's been
rock solid for tens of millions if not hundreds or millions of users.
I'm currently on 12.3 beta, and it is also rock solid.
Is it perfect? Of course not, nothing is. Does it crash, corrupt
data, brick computers, or fail to work? No, it does not do any of
these things.
Maybe you should stop listening to idiot trolls?

I see lots of bugs in public stable versions like in Big Sur, iOS v15, etc.

By this flawed logic, you shouldn't use stable versions either.

The mere existence of bugs does not equate to "something to be avoided
at all costs". You seem to be incapable of making this distinction. No
software on this planet is bug-free. Get that through your thick head.

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Jolly Roger

2022-02-18 21:50:20 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.

If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.

Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
are running, and it's a nice tool to have handy for such a thing:

<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

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David Brooks

2022-02-18 22:43:24 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.

Do you also recommend THIS facility?

https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer

Thanks.

Ant

2022-02-19 02:39:52 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
Thanks.

Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
wonder why not offer from Github too?

Also, Redditors told me about caffeinate command in Terminal which works
too and already included in macOS!

Jolly Roger

2022-02-19 13:10:38 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
Thanks.

Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
wonder why not offer from Github too?

That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )

Post by Ant
Also, Redditors told me about caffeinate command in Terminal which works
too and already included in macOS!

Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

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David Brooks

2022-02-19 17:39:53 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
Thanks.

Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
wonder why not offer from Github too?

That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )

Ha! ;-)

Post by Ant
Also, Redditors told me about caffeinate command in Terminal which works
too and already included in macOS!

Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

I'm using macOS Monterey 12.2.1 and have installed Amphetamine from the
Apple App Store. It appears to do what I'd thought it should!

I've even got a nice message from the developer! https://ibb.co/sJzLyYY

Ant

2022-02-19 18:09:32 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
Thanks.

Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
wonder why not offer from Github too?

That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )

I saw that, but why doesn't original Amphetamine have a downloadable
version from GitHub instead of App Store?

Post by Ant
Also, Redditors told me about caffeinate command in Terminal which works
too and already included in macOS!

Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Dang it! Why did Apple even include it then?

Jolly Roger

2022-02-20 06:11:20 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
Thanks.

Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
wonder why not offer from Github too?

That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )

I saw that, but why doesn't original Amphetamine have a downloadable
version from GitHub instead of App Store?

Because the developer wants it to be available on the App Store. Is
there an actual problem here, or are you just trying to manufacture one
out of thin air?>

Post by Ant
Also, Redditors told me about caffeinate command in Terminal which works
too and already included in macOS!

Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Dang it! Why did Apple even include it then?

*shrug* Who cares?

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Ant

2022-02-20 23:00:05 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
Thanks.

Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
wonder why not offer from Github too?

That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )

I saw that, but why doesn't original Amphetamine have a downloadable
version from GitHub instead of App Store?

Because the developer wants it to be available on the App Store. Is
there an actual problem here, or are you just trying to manufacture one
out of thin air?>

Yes, because I'm old school and still prefer to download outside of stores.

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Jolly Roger

2022-02-21 16:29:09 UTC

Post by Ant
Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app
store), but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App
Store. I wonder why not offer from Github too?

That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )

I saw that, but why doesn't original Amphetamine have a downloadable
version from GitHub instead of App Store?

Because the developer wants it to be available on the App Store. Is
there an actual problem here, or are you just trying to manufacture
one out of thin air?>

Yes, because I'm old school and still prefer to download outside of stores.

Yes, you have an irrational aversion to "new" things people have used
for years, like App Stores, iCloud, and so on - even at your own
expense. The world is changing, Dino Ant. Keep up or go back into the
ground. The world will continue to spin either way. ; )

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Lewis

2022-02-19 19:05:06 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.

#v+
$ which caffeinate
/usr/bin/caffeinate
$ uname -a
Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
#v-

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Ant

2022-02-19 20:35:15 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.
#v+
$ which caffeinate
/usr/bin/caffeinate
$ uname -a
Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
#v-

I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

Lewis

2022-02-20 07:21:10 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.
#v+
$ which caffeinate
/usr/bin/caffeinate
$ uname -a
Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
#v-

I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

Exactly HOW did you try it?

Did you read the man page?

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2022-02-20 10:07:11 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.
#v+
$ which caffeinate
/usr/bin/caffeinate
$ uname -a
Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
#v-

I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

Exactly HOW did you try it?
Did you read the man page?

I started up a vim session and then got the PID of it. Then I did

caffeinate -w <PID>

I left the laptop alone for 20m (double the 10m setting) and when I came
back it had not gone to sleep.

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Ant

2022-02-20 23:08:38 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
macOS.

Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.
#v+
$ which caffeinate
/usr/bin/caffeinate
$ uname -a
Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
#v-

I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

Exactly HOW did you try it?
Did you read the man page?

I ran caffeinate (without any parameters) in Terminal as shown in its man:
"DESCRIPTION
caffeinate creates assertions to alter system sleep behavior. If no
assertion flags are specified, caffeinate creates an assertion to prevent
idle sleep..."

Basically, I don't want MBP to sleep.

Jolly Roger

2022-02-19 13:05:58 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer

Yes, but that's only needed if you need to create triggers for processes
that don't appear in the non-enhanced version.

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David Brooks

2022-02-19 17:28:58 UTC

There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
"Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
display sleeps.
If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
have a screen saver enabled too.
Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>

Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
Do you also recommend THIS facility?
https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer

Yes, but that's only needed if you need to create triggers for processes
that don't appear in the non-enhanced version.

Thank you. Understood.

Ant

2022-02-19 02:40:47 UTC

Display sleep is OK, but I was talking about system's sleep. This one I
don't want to sleep at all.

Jolly Roger

2022-02-19 13:11:16 UTC

Display sleep is OK, but I was talking about system's sleep. This one I
don't want to sleep at all.

Then you should be good to go.

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Ant

2022-02-19 18:32:14 UTC

Display sleep is OK, but I was talking about system's sleep. This one I
don't want to sleep at all.

Then you should be good to go.

But Loading Image...

doesn't show an option to make
system not sleep. It only has power nap and display off options. Also,
macOS Big Sur doesn't have Energy Saver. I think it is called Battery.

Lewis

2022-02-19 18:58:42 UTC

Display sleep is OK, but I was talking about system's sleep. This one I
don't want to sleep at all.

Then you should be good to go.

But https://i.imgur.com/1LmSzMK.png doesn't show an option to make
system not sleep. It only has power nap and display off options. Also,
macOS Big Sur doesn't have Energy Saver. I think it is called Battery.

Because you CANNOT disable sleep when on battery, just like I already
told you.

You can only disable sleep when the laptop is on power.

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Jolly Roger

2022-02-20 06:13:37 UTC

Post by Ant
Hello.
How do I tell mac OS Big Sur v11.6.4 to never sleep when using
in a 2020 Intel MBP? I only want to set this as a test since I'm
trying to figure out why this MBP crashes when waking up after
sleeping once in a while. So far on power AC connection, it
never crashes with sleep disabled. macOS Big Sur v11.6.(3&4)
doesn't have an option to do that. I only can disable its power
nap and display sleep.
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

Display sleep is OK, but I was talking about system's sleep. This
one I don't want to sleep at all.

Then you should be good to go.

But https://i.imgur.com/1LmSzMK.png doesn't show an option to make
system not sleep.

Because, as Lewis already told you, you cannot disable sleep when
battery power, since battery power is naturally limited. Do you not
understand that battery power is not limitless?

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Lewis

2022-02-19 13:29:37 UTC